1| Nick Karras, Author of The Passionate High | Cannabis and Sex

Does cannabis help in matters of… love?

That's the topic in episode one of our podcast, with sexologist Nick Karras, author of The Passionate High: A Guide to Using Cannabis for Sex and Creativity. We also talk about cannabis as an alternative to alcohol, microdosing, and exactly how to find the right strain and right amount to help you relax, and get, you know, intimate. All that and much more — enjoy episode one!



Kannaboomers: 00:05 This is Let's Talk About Weed, the Kannaboomers Podcast: CBD, microdosing, and all things related to medical cannabis for baby boomers from San Diego. Here's your host, Thomas J.

Kannaboomers: 00:21 Welcome to Let's Talk About Weed, where we explore all aspects of cannabis from CBD and microdosing to what we're going to discuss today and that's The Passionate High: A Guide to Using Cannabis for Better Sex and Creativity, a new book from our guest, Dr Nick Karras. It's available@Amazon.com and at his website passionatehigh.com.

Nick Karras: 00:41 Hi, thanks for, thanks for having me here today.

Kannaboomers: 00:44 Thank you for being our guest. And, I think it's an interesting topic that our, that our audience is going to be interested in following. Tell me how you came about the idea for your book.

Nick Karras: 00:56 Oh Geez. Well, I've been a sexologist for about 12 years now and most of the couples and individuals come to me and they're missing the passion in their life. They're missing that zest, that, that awareness of there's something more than what's going on. And it's really hard. I mean, there's a lot of talk about mindful meditation, there's a lot of talk about couples spending a date night and spending some time together, you know, candles, dinner, but it's really hard to keep our focus and don't let go of the day. And I was looking for something that would help that along. Now I've been a cannabis user for 40 years and it has always worked for me, but for a lot of people that did not. And that's why I decided I was going to research cannabis and see if this could be brought into a person's life. To change their life, to empower their life and to create connection between two people.

Kannaboomers: 01:49 Sure. You know, it sounds to me like maybe a, it's an alternative to alcohol for some people.

Nick Karras: 01:55 Very much so. Very much so. Alcohol is usually used as a it and so you come home, you have a couple of drinks and you forget the day. A lot of people use cannabis the same way they come home, they smoke, they want to check out and chill out and it's a perfectly fine thing to do. But cannabis also has the ability to do the exact opposite, to activate you, to make you see outside the box, to give you new creative thoughts and actually empower yourself. And that was a fascinating thing to me.

Kannaboomers: 02:26 Well, as an alternative to alcohol, it's probably more healthy and less destructive in the long run.

Nick Karras: 02:33 Oh, oh. So much. So it's almost the opposite of a putting a poison in your system and getting a reaction. This thing with the way it connects with the endocannabinoid system in our body, it, it, it calms us, it takes us as a core and it changes us. I mean, it's very, very healthy.

Kannaboomers: 02:51 So you've got some experience with the plant and uh, you've written the book. Um, there are things to look at when you're, when you're getting into this, including strain, dosage. I'm just the environment, all those things that come into play, right?

Nick Karras: 03:10 Yeah. The three I tell people is the big three. It's the strain, it's the dosage. And a really important one is the intention. And the intention is like with Timothy Leary, used to say about when you do hard drugs, it's about your set and setting because what you're doing is you're activating the mind in a different way to pay attention. So like a lot of the people way back when it was illegal, we would get paranoia. So they thought that the cannabis created paranoia. That is not the case. The paranoia was because we had paranoia, smoking the cannabis and the cannabis accentuates the feeling that you have going into it. And one of the biggest things that I tell people, I tell everybody this before you ever ingest cannabis and we're mainly talking about the cannabis with THC in it because we're talking about the high tonight, mainly before you do that, always ask yourself, why am I getting high? Why am I smoking, and what do I want to do with this? And then create that environment because your mind is going to goal where you have telling it to do. I don't think most people realize you have control of that high

Kannaboomers: 04:19 [inaudible]. So setting your mind on what do I want to happen with this experience?

Nick Karras: 04:27 Yeah, like if let's say you're an artist and and you're a writer and you have writer's block and you're stuck and you're going, I'm stuck. I'm stuck to sit down and to say, okay, I'm going to smoke a little bit of cannabis and I'm gonna. See my writing differently. Will you create the environment? You lay out your paper and your pencil. You maybe have the affirmations that you have, some books you've already written and you put them there. You would tell yourself you're a writer and when you smoke, like a small amount of this, it creates whatever you're thinking, it embellishes whatever you're thinking. So it gives you that positive thing and a lot of the times it'll push you through that block. Okay,

Kannaboomers: 05:04 So let's talk a little bit about sort of the degrees of being high, because I know you've, you've outlined these and you know, for some people who maybe back in our younger years just got stoned out of their minds. They, maybe they can't hold the thought while they're trying to create. But if you set the intention and you don't get absolutely stoned than it, then it could really be an aid to your creation.

Nick Karras: 05:27 Oh, definitely. Definitely. Um, cannabis is as a bi modal, dragging by with bi-modal means. It means that it has a very different effect at a low dose than it does at a high dose and almost sometimes the opposite effect. So you're gonna hear a lot of term microdosing going on right now in microdosing is a real small amount of that drug to use that and that will determine your high

Kannaboomers: 05:52 Does that mean one puff of one meant um, how, how do you determine or is it just experimentation? How do you get to that point?

Nick Karras: 06:03 Everybody has a different amount and it definitely depends. It depends on our own body type has a lot of difference in it, how long you're using it, how much you're taking. Um, myself, I'm a very, very lightweight. So it takes very little and yes, with most of the strains today, it's only one puff, one puff. And I tell people, when you go to the dispensary, don't buy the top shelf, you do not want 27 percent THC in there. I usually try to keep it or between 14 and 18 percent if you're gonna, use it for sexuality because you want to have that connection with your partner. If you go too much, you're going to disconnect and go inside. And a lot of people will say, yeah, I liked that feeling. I close in. If you take too much, some people telling me it feels like you're talking to God. These are wonderful experiences and they can be used. It's being used in therapy. But if we're going back to creativity or connection with their partner, we want to keep it light because we want to be present for them.

Nick Karras: 07:01 Right? So a controlled dosage. I'm not, not going over the top.

Nick Karras: 07:07 Yeah. Um, California law now just made it law that a dosage can't be more than 10 milligrams of THC. 10 is way too much for me. I'm talking to God. If I take care, I'm, I'm inside. I tell people two and a half to five is a good starting point.

Kannaboomers: 07:27 Yeah. Depending on. I know some of these manufactured products will tell you there's two and a half milligrams per mint or something, but if you're smoking a joint or a pipe or something, how do you gauge that?

Nick Karras: 07:39 Well, what I tell first time people are people who haven't done this for awhile. I recommend smoking. There are a lot of wonderful other ways out there between the teachers and all of the edibles and it's very appealing when you go into a dispensary nowadays, like a kid in a candy store. The reason I tell him to stay away from that is because that high lasts a lot longer. You're doing that. A bowl, you can be talking up to six, eight hours that you're having that feeling and dosing that if you overshoot it now you have six or eight hours and, and it takes sometimes up to an hour to come on where if you buy the flour, the bud and you smoke that and you take one little hit from that, you can set that out in the ashtray and you wait and within three to five minutes you are at 100 percent of that high and now you feel like, how do I feel? Do I feel connected and my feeling enough and if you want a little bit more, take another half of a hit for myself. It's one, one and a half hits and I'm there and that high last between an hour and a half and two hours, which is a nice period of time to sit and be with your partner and talk. And then you can always do a rider or as I call them and pick it up and hit it again, but you can control it, titrate that dose.

Kannaboomers: 08:54 Do you have a preference between indica and sativa?

Nick Karras: 08:59 Myself, I'm a sativa. I thought that sativa was best for intimacy. I have learned that that is not the case at all. It depends on the individual. Um, I would, I was always looking for a strain that I could give to everybody. I found my favorite strain a few years back and it was lavender train wreck. To me that was the wonder currently it's blue dream, but I love that. That's, that's a sativa dominant hybrid and um, it works for me, but when I gained small, when I did my test group and I would give it out to people, it didn't work for everybody and a lot of the people preferred than indica. And so it gets to the point where people would come in and I would just watch them for five minutes. I'd ask them questions like, watch their body language to see once. And I think, you know, if you look around at your circle of friends, some people are much more into their head and other people are under the body. They expressed anxiety and thoughts through their head or their body. They're going to have to determine that.

Kannaboomers: 09:57 Sure. Yeah. That's very interesting. How the different strains, a kind of manifests effects differently in different people.

Nick Karras: 10:05 Yeah. What I usually do, if somebody comes in, they want to go on this journey and I call it a journey. I mean most people are very impatient. They want to go to a doctor. They want a pill. They want to take that pill and get instant results. Cannabis is not like that. I tell them cannabis is a personal experience. It's this plant and you are going to have to learn how to get along and what you want to do. So I'll tell people, go to a dispensary and get a gram. You can get a gram for seven to $10, get a gram of a good indica, a good sativa and maybe a hybrid in the middle. Talk to them, get some cones or some papers, go home, mark them, and then on different evenings set aside your two hours and try the strain and see how it feels for you. Um, maybe doing the dishes or go for a walk or if you, you know, want to talk to your partner, talk to them and pay attention and you're going to try. You find that they're very different in the back of the passionate. I have a little, a place where you can log into strains and take notes and pay attention. And then once you narrow in who I love the sativa better than an indica, the indica made me feel lethargic, the sativa activated me. Then you can start looking at the strains within that and kind of narrow that down to what works for you. Yeah. A lot of my clients will have different strains in their home for different things. They have a very stressful day when they come home. They'll have an indica that day like you know, or they can't sleep at night and they'll mark those strains and know those, smoke them for that particular purpose.

Kannaboomers: 11:37 Yeah. Well, and you know, it's taking responsibility for your own health and and listening to your body and getting a little more involved than, as you say, sort of the model that people have where they think they go to their doctor and they get a pill and they take that pill and everything's resolved. This is more of an organic process where you have to do some discovery and apply what you learned.

Nick Karras: 12:00 Yeah. It's like learning what we should eat. Everyone can eat different things. Some people can have no caffeine, some love caffeine. I equated to essential oils. If I took you to the store and you smell the essential oils it and somebody says, well, this has a calming effect and this is stimulating. It's not always the same for everyone. Your particular noise, you're going to go, no, I like this one and cannabis is the same thing and by the way, the terpenes and the cannabis are pretty much equivalent of essential oil and the terpenes play a very important role. So I tell people when you're going into the dispensary and you're buying it, that last little piece, when you've got like three strains, you like smell the strain, close your eyes and smell it and feel it and it, it'll tell you which one to pick.

Kannaboomers: 12:43 Yeah. There's a lot of emotion or, or memories that are wrapped up in that. That olfactory sense, right? Definitely. Well, and I think you talk about in the book too, I mean the, the multisensory a effect of cannabis and it's going to heighten your senses. And you know, you talked about set and setting and when we, when we talk about intimacy, there's so many factors that come into it where you want to pay attention to your music, your lighting, everything that's going on.

Nick Karras: 13:15 Yeah. One of the things that was interesting to me is that there was a lot of concern from the medical community that when we smoke cannabis, our heart rate increases and they thought that was a bad thing or what I've come to find out that it's exactly the opposite. The reason it does that is it relaxes our core and when it relaxes, our court relaxes our lungs and most of us, because of the environment we live in and the anxiety we we breathe shallow breathing shallow is a defense protection system and we don't oxygenate our bodies when we're having a shallow breath. What cannabis does is it relaxes the lung. Sex will not. When you take a breath in, you're taking in a lot more air, a lot more oxygen, and the body gets excited so it increases the heart rate so that it can pump that oxygen all over the body and that's why your skin kind of tingles. Your taste is a little bit more in tune. You're hearing is intensified. Part of it is that oxygenation of the body that's doing that,

Kannaboomers: 14:16 So it wakes you up a little bit.

Nick Karras: 14:18 Definitely. Definitely, and I think anybody who, any of the boomers who go back and have smoked back, they love that, that food. I mean you get a slice of pizza and it's like, oh my God, this tastes so good. Or a song comes on and the music you seem like you hear notes you didn't hear and instruments in the songs and that's what's causing that

Nick Karras: 14:38 Right, it can really awaken your senses. So let's talk about intimacy and the ways in which this plant can help us be more connected.

Kannaboomers: 14:50 Well, one of the things is that it's what does the THC, the high due to the brain and what it does is it creates different cognitive effects to us and a couple of them. One is hyper-focusing. It's known as hyper-focusing and that I think, and once again, anybody who smoked back in the sixties or seventies notice that you're sitting around a room and all of a sudden you're really into something you, you, you know, you look around and you're just like, oh my God, I never noticed how beautiful that picture was. Or I never noticed this. You focused and then you seem to jump around at stuff. It's hard to hold a train of thought that focusing can be used in intimacy by your set and setting. And so me, that's what I tell a couple of that. Okay. If you want to have an intimate evening and you're, you know, you're going to get hyper-focusing from the strain, be careful what's around you. I mean, if you've got a phone that goes off or you have music that's playing in, it's got a commercial, um, you know, you're sitting there being loving and kind and coddling and all of a sudden a commercial comes on and you're humming the tune from the commercial. It's because your mind wandered into there. So you have to be careful that you set that stage and you take care of that. You know, if you've got a pile of dirty laundry in a corner and so it's a good chance you're going to look over at that and you're gonna go, I need to do my laundry or your stack of papers on that. The hyper-focusing will take you to wherever you look. So avoid those.

Kannaboomers: 16:15 The buzzkill we used to call it.

Nick Karras: 16:17 It can feel very much a buzzkill. It's an essential situation. You don't want buzz kill, you want to stack it in your favor.

Kannaboomers: 16:26 Pile of dirty laundry can really ruin them.

Nick Karras: 16:29 Uh, the next one I like to talk about is episodic memory retrieval. Once again, if you think about it, when you've been stoned and you're with somebody and you're talking, I know and you'll miss it. Yeah, I remember the grateful dead concert. We went to way back your there. You are practically there. You can almost smell it and stuff. That's your episodic memory retrieval. How do I tell couples to use that? I say you've been together 20 years and you know you're totally in love. Everything is going good, but you've lost that, that passion, that drive for each other, set the stage for that. I tell them, play music. You played when you first fell in love. Lay out the photo albums when you guys first met that memory retrieval of that pot. What that's gonna do is that when you look at those pictures, it's going to take you back there and I, once again, we're taking the high and we're stacking it in our favor. It's one of the funnest things that I've had couples come back to tell me that, that they sat there and they pull out the photo album where normally they look at it and go, yeah, those are old photos of us, but when they're high, those photos come to life for them.

Nick Karras: 17:36 So they totally reengage, go back to that moment.

Nick Karras: 17:39 I go back to that moment, you know, and I tell them once again, use, use this high, think about this high and, and what it's doing to you and give it a positive. A twist. Yeah. You know, another one is, it's called pattern recognition. And um, I think one of my, one of the funniest stories is I had a fellow that very heady and he would go home and smoke and he goes, I don't feel anything. I don't feel anything. I don't get high. Why don't I get high? He'd get angry. And I'd say, okay, try and keep trying strains and go for a walk. And he went for a walk one night and the next time he came in to see me, he goes, you know, it's interesting, and I go, what? He goes, I noticed when I walk I walk kind of funny and I always walk the same way. And he said, so I'm changing the way I walk. He said, because it wasn't working for me. And I go, well, that's pattern recognition. You start seeing patterns in your life. And so for a couple who always does the same thing, when your lovemaking is always the same, you know the way you do the dishes is always the same. The way you start an art project is always the same. A little bit of pot in there. You're going to notice differences. Couples will say, yeah, I'm boring. You'll notice they're boring. So that's called the pattern recognition aspect of it. And just being cognitively cognizant of it gives you the opportunity to change that, mix it up, get out of the box. I think the biggest takeaway is pay attention to how you're feeling when you're high and and it, it's telling you a lot about yourself. You know, like Bob Marley said, you know, marijuana is the gateway drug to thyself and I always loved that and people kind of blow off that is, it doesn't mean anything. It's like can mean so much. We get to see ourselves almost from an outside looking back at ourselves when we have that high and take advantage of it. Pay attention to who you are, you know, personally myself, you know, people will say, you know, what do you think about your life? Are you happy with your life and the and the accomplishments you have? And I'll go and they'll go, what do you attribute it to? And I say, you don't. One of the biggest things I attributed to his cannabis has been in my life and it's something that I have used. It has not used me. And early on I realized that by taking small amounts and using it and paying attention, I could be more creative to myself. You know, enhanced imagination is one of the big ones. Everybody refers to him as my dreams, you know? Well, yes. I would have to say the majority of what comes up is silliness and it's abstract, but I tell people, especially when you're microdosing, write that stuff down and the next morning when you're having your coffee, look at it and yes, mostly you were gonna go stone idea stoner idea stoner idea, but some of my best stuff came out of that, you know, because then I would look at it and go, well yeah, that seems a little different for me. It seems a little extreme, but why? And I started questioning it and most of the books I published a most of the work that I've done. I got that and when I started interviewing people, I was amazed how many people told me that the pipe dreams were what made their life's beautiful, that they paid attention to that.

Kannaboomers: 20:56 So a shifted perspective and then you can change the pattern.

Nick Karras: 21:01 Yeah, for couples, a lot of times after you've been together for a while, you lose the dream. I think the best part of coupling, if I had to say there was anything when when two people come together and decide to walk that path of life together is you dream together and you look at it shouldn't go, what do you want and what do you want, and then you make you manifest this stuff and you work as a team. Well, 10, 15, 20 years into it, you get routine and you forget the ability to do that and I think cannabis for couples to sit it can recreate that. Lot of the times the people come to me and they want better sex. They go, Dr Nick, we wanted smoke some pot and we want to have good sex like we had at the beginning. The majority of the time that's not what happens. It creates intimacy and sex looks different and couples will come back and they'll say, yeah, we do what you said and how is the evening? Well, one, maybe one time they both slept. They fell asleep and cuddled up in each other's arms and they slept all night and I'll go well you needed to sleep. You know, other couples go, we talked until two in the morning, you know, how often when was the last time they had a good talk, you know

Kannaboomers: 22:12 So intimacy can take on many forms, you know, it doesn't necessarily lead to the physical act of sex, but maybe an emotional connection with mental, like exploration. I'm just some of the things talking about it.

Nick Karras: 22:29 Yeah. People think that sex is something you just do. It's a chill, you know, we're, we're going to Friday night or and we're gonna gonna get three hours and we're going to have sex. And I tell people as a sexologist it's not. Sex comes organically from the body. Sex is something that you create by being a central person. And I say going into the kitchen and cooking, bringing out the spices, playing music. The two of you, dancing, living essential life automatically takes you into a sexual being. You know, when I have singles come to me and they're going, I haven't been with anybody, I don't have sex anymore. I miss that. What can I do to have sex? I look at him and go become a central person, join a cooking class, do some salsa dancing, be passionate about life, essential about your life and what are you going to attract? You're going to attract another central person. I put two central people together. Sex is going to happen. It just is.

Kannaboomers: 23:27 And this plant can aid sensuality.

Nick Karras: 23:30 So much so just because like as we talked earlier about what it does to our senses, you know, you get the munchies, you get hungry, you want to play music, you know your vision is enhanced. I mean go outside and go for a walk, smoke a little bit of cannabis and walk through a park. It is a totally different experience and when you normally walk, people walk mindlessly, they walk, they look at their phones, they're in their head thinking and your body is walking. It's, it's like it's, it's a habit. They combined the habit. Cannabis messes with that habit can do what it's doing to your head that high. It kind of wakes you up. You're going to have a totally different experience. Walking. Same thing with a little bit of high. You're going to see things you didn't notice, you know,. Well, my God, a bakery opened up over there. Something you're going to smell, things you never smelled. Gonna feel the wind and the sun on you. And so to me it, it wakes the body up.

Kannaboomers: 24:26 Yeah, nothing wrong with that.

Nick Karras: 24:27 No. And we need that. You know, it's, I just read something that said today, the average person in America consumes five times as much information as we did 30 years ago. We are becoming our heads and that disconnect. You look at the environment, we're destroying the environment. We're not paying attention to our children. Our community is falling apart. Loneliness, depression is up. We were last in the two dimensional world and I think it's so wonderful that cannabis is being legalized now because cannabis is going to put us back into a three dimensional world.

Kannaboomers: 25:01 That's interesting. The social media that we all pay attention to and the fear of missing out on whatever's on Facebook at the moment. Um, you need a way to get away from that to escape and the stresses of work and, you know, driving down the freeway and the normal normal stresses of life that can defeat us off. We let them so you need an outlet.

Nick Karras: 25:28 It does. And, and even for boomers, especially for boomers, I'm 67 years old and I gotta tell Ya, I can be a crotchety old man sometimes. I think most of us can relate to that and life is difficult to me to have fresh eyes. To me, one of the funnest thing to do with a bunch of boomers is sit around and smoke a little at a dinner party and we start laughing. We started having fun a couple months ago did a whole issue on laughter and how us boomers have lost that and the health benefits of laughter. And to me just coming back and doing that, you know, there's an old saying that the average person dies at 50 and is buried at 80. And that is so true to me to bring this back just for that alone. Um, everybody's talking about the medicinal aspects of cannabis and they're incredible. What it does, we need to start talking about the THC in the high and the possibility that the can change their lives.

Kannaboomers: 26:27 Yeah. Well, I don't know if it was Cheech or Chong, one of them said all cannabis use as medicinal. It's kinda like alcohol is medicinal. I mean when people have an intent when they pour a glass of bourbon and fair, as you said, you approach the cannabis with an intent. It's medicinal. It's gonna help your mood or it's going to help your perspective or you know, we know that it helps with epilepsy and possibly cancer and many other things. So most of what we've talked about is a mental and emotional, but it's physically an amazing substance as well.

Nick Karras: 27:11 Oh definitely. And, and in the realm of sexuality, um, a lot of women have painful, painful sex is this stuff really works. Like I said, it relaxes your core and it relaxes your pelvic floor. And so it works for a lot of men with their issues and reptile dysfunction. The right strain and the right amount can make a big difference because once again, in order for a man to have an erection, he has to be relaxed. Most people thinks it's it's excitement that creates an erection. It's exactly the opposite. It's the relaxing of the blood vessels, opens them up, that opens them up. And so if there's any anxiety in a math, anything going on, he's going to have a hard time. And cannabis is a relaxing. It can work very well getting the right strain.

Kannaboomers: 28:00 Interesting. So just to sort of circle back around, um, you know, when you talk about using it as an aid to intimacy, we kind of covered the idea of not getting too high and having a, somewhere between the light touch and sort of the classic high, maybe a bit of a microdose doing some experimentation so you know which strain is going to work for you. Um, and I guess what we haven't talked about is, you know, your partner, maybe they have different needs than you do when it comes to cannabis. Maybe they like a different strain.

Nick Karras: 28:36 Oh, most definitely. Yeah.

Kannaboomers: 28:38 So you'd have to figure that out too.

Nick Karras: 28:40 Definitely. And I tell people that you can experiment together as long as you don't have a goal. And to me being with your partner, it's nice when it's not goal oriented, I don't know about you, but I've never, I, there's no bad high, there's only a different high as high as individuals. They're just are unique. And so I do like experiment. But yeah, most of the couples, each one will have a different strain that they use in the bedroom.

Kannaboomers: 29:06 [inaudible]. Well now maybe some of our listeners are, are coming back to cannabis after a long time. Maybe there's a reluctance in their partner or them to try it. Um, you know, some of us went into a corporate world for decades and you know, there were drug tests and there were a lot of stigmatization. Stigmatization. Right? And maybe we can talk about de stigmatizing. Um, uh, but what, what if there is sort of a nervousness about this, a reluctance, what, what can you do to get over that?

Nick Karras: 29:39 That's a, that's an interesting one. Um, it is legal now. So that should help. The one thing that I tell people is intimacy and sexuality is a very private thing anyways, and so and greeting a naughty element into it sometimes is what makes it a little more fun, so maybe consider it part of the taboo. I'm looking at it as, yeah, this is our secret little thing. I love it when people can share it with friends and family. I one of the biggest things, I encourage people to start talking openly at dinner parties, you know, and so we can learn from one another. I. My dream is that everybody ends up figuring or stream a strain out. You can get a clone and you can grow it in your backyard. One plant will give you more than you could ever use any year and it would be fun if we traded with our neighbors and our friends and it became something like bringing a bottle of wine and you tried different strains and bringing that out, but if they're not comfortable with that, then use the taboo aspect of it.

Kannaboomers: 30:42 Another thing is that some people just don't like it. Some don't get high and one of the surveys I read they said 41 percent up to 41 percent of people who tried it the first time, never felt anything.

Nick Karras: 30:52 Wow. And some people never do feel it. Some people, if you're very heady and you have a lot of control issues, you're going to fight it. And for some of them red wine or alcohol works better for them. You can't, you can't fight a high from alcohol. It's a suppressant. It is going to lower you down. Cannabis can go either way. So if you have anxiety going into it and you're not willing to, you know, it just doesn't work for some people and you have to accept that. So No, I have couples that no one does not want to use it. What I do ask is that they couldn't open their mind up enough to allow their partner to, if they see their partner is happy, um, and it, it brings up side of them out that they like, you know, don't judge it. You have your wine, you have your smoke, right.

Kannaboomers: 31:48 You know, you've mentioned that it is legal, it's legal in California or in Colorado and I think five or six other states and a medically legal in I think 27, 28 states. Do you see, uh, do you see that trend growing or slowing down? I mean, oh no,

Nick Karras: 32:07 I personally think it's even going to flip with the federal government this year. I would bet my dollars on that. It's unstoppable. And, um, and like I said, once again, the more we talk about it, the more that everybody knows that this works and we talk about the health benefits.

Kannaboomers: 32:24 Yeah. Yeah. Well, when you consider the, just the damage that's been done by opioids in, Oh my God, here is an alternative to that that uh, is, is not gonna potentially kill you.

Nick Karras: 32:38 Yeah. And on a side note, I'm a sexologist. I do a passion and intimacy coaching. When I brought cannabis into the picture and started talking about it and started talking to my clients more than the number one thing is getting them off opiates. I didn't realize how many people were addicted to opiates. Well, this worked.

Kannaboomers: 32:58 Are we talking about middle aged people or what's the demographic of

Nick Karras: 33:03 Middle Age and older? Most of my clientele are older,

Kannaboomers: 33:07 Like the classic got a bad back.

Nick Karras: 33:09 It's always a bad shoulder, a bad back, and they start using it. A lot of people are using a lot of Ambien, which eventually has some very negative side effects of them for sleeping. And we switch them over and they have a really good night's sleep and it's like, oh my God, I can't believe this. So it has so many benefits. It's something that you should explore.

Kannaboomers: 33:31 Yeah, definitely. Um, okay. So just circling back again, you know, we talked about um, how to get started. You're going to explore with different strains to find what works for you. And you mentioned maybe going to the dispensary and getting um, you know, getting a good sativa and indica and hybrid, not necessarily top shelf, but come home, try them out in the evening when you have an hour or two. Um, the, in, in for intimacy, we talked about set and setting, paying attention to things like the music, the mood of not having any buzz killers in the room and just being focused on your partner and connected. Yeah. Yeah. It's a great age for that.

Nick Karras: 34:16 Yeah, it is. It's, I'm impressed how well it's working and you know, that's why I'm definitely an advocate for this. I've tried everything else, but this one is just enough, enough to push people in it.

Kannaboomers: 34:27 Good. Uh, anything that we haven't covered that you'd like to leave our listeners with?

Nick Karras: 34:36 Mainly talked to people about it. Um, I don't worry about the smoking. We didn't talk about the fact of smoking. A lot of people are worried, but I don't want to smoke because our generation especially, we found out about the cigarette smoking and we had a massive campaign to stigmatize smoking or ingesting the cannabis does not give you cancer had actually does the exact opposite. And, and even if you still don't believe that the amount I'm asking you to do, it's totally irrelevant. A lot of people have a hard time getting over the smoking. You can go to the vape cartridges, I like them and they're getting better and better and they've taken out all the additives. Now it's pure oil, so you're not gonna get any side effects that the only disadvantages they run 30, 40, 50, $60 for a cartridge. You get it home, you try it and it might not be the one you want. I ended up with four or five cartridges sitting around and I had to give them awake, you know, and I like the ritual of smoking. I liked the of the evening. I think the biggest part is to sit with someone and to bring it out and to grind it and to put it in a cone into role at 10 and the sit around and pass it and the lighting of the fire and exhaling and bringing something into the lungs and setting your intention. I think that element alone is one of the parts and I try to emphasize so much to people. Take your life back, start having some fun with it. Set a time to the side to turn off everything and be one to one and go back to nature a little bit with it.

Kannaboomers: 36:11 Yeah. And a lot of baby boomers will remember being in college and doing that same thing, you know, cleaning it on an album cover or inside a frisbee and getting the seeds out and rolling nice joint

Nick Karras: 36:24 And the camaraderie that took place, the community. It was always like a sense of community and an understanding and these were our friends, that naughty element where were smoking together, you know, keep the naughty elements. I like that.

Kannaboomers: 36:38 Well, thank you for your time, Dr Nick, and I'm going to remind listeners that your book, the Passionate High is at AmazonDotCom and your website is APassionateHigh.com.

Nick Karras: 36:52 Yes. And definitely feel free to call me at anytime. I do Skype coaching, online coaching and I can answer your questions. Awesome. No, thank you.


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