28 | Stacey Mulvey, Cannabis and Yoga
July 8, 2019
Enjoy yoga? There's a way to get even more out of it: Combine your yoga practice with cannabis. Stacey Mulvey, founder of Marijuasana says cannabis can help increase circulation, decrease inflammation, reduce muscle spasms, and get you in the right frame of mind for a great stretch. It's a great way to optimize your next yoga session.
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Welcome to episode 28 of the Kannaboomers podcast. It's Tom back again with another wellness episode. This time we're talking about yoga, specifically how cannabis can supplement your yoga practice in surprising ways. We're talking with Stacey Mulvey of Marijuasana. She's been at this for a few years and does a great job with resources online, and she's a trainer of trainers helping grow this movement across the country. Very interesting episode. You can check out all the previous episodes at Apple, at Google Play, at Stitcher, anywhere you can find your finer podcasts. We're there or look us up at Kannaboomers.com. We also have another series called “Twenty 4:20” with Curt Robbins where we go for 20 minutes on 20 different topics of interest to cannabis users. Check it out. I think you'll like it. It's very educational and you'll learn a lot, so thanks for tuning in and enjoy the episode. This is, “Let's talk about Weed” the Kannaboomers podcast, CBD microdosing, and all things related to medical cannabis for baby boomers from San Diego. Here's your host, Thomas J.
Kannaboomers: (01:06) Hey, it's Tom. I'm back with Kannaboomers. Today we're talking with Stacey Mulvey of Marijuasana. Hi Stacey.
Stacey Mulvey: (01:13)Hi.
Kannaboomers: (01:14) I'm really excited for this episode. My friend kept telling me that you've got to try smoking some cannabis and doing some yoga and you specialize in that and you have a great class, a great session online that people can download. I did that over the weekend and I found it was really amazing. The benefits of it are multifold and, it's, it's a lot of fun.
Stacey Mulvey: (01:34) Yeah. Yay. Yeah, it's fun. And, um, how did it feel when you did it?
Kannaboomers: (01:39) Well, you're much more in touch with your, your musculature, I think. And you do a great job of saying, you know, listen to your body, listen to your ribs, listen to your back. Um, and I think you're naturally more aware of that when you've had some cannabis.
Stacey Mulvey: (01:55) Yeah. You know, is it part of why that is? I mean, there's so many reasons that we can go into, which I guess is kind of the point of us talking, but there are so many ways that cannabis overlaps with doing exercise, especially exercise that incorporates, you know, using the mind, body connection to do the exercise, but like a real just like basic reason is the part of our brain, like the part of our body, the way that we, you know, govern, and coordinate our motor skills and um, just process our, our sense a feeling, our body in space. It has a really high expression of cannabinoid receptors. So being able to, you know, basically like synergize, like getting cannabis in your body and starting to, to move around and you know, just kind of feeling those effects of cannabis. Um, you know, when you're hearing cues about your body and you're hearing like information about like, yeah, where is my body in space? Like your sort of prime near prime state due to the cannabis to interpret that and like, you know, maybe hear it differently or think about it differently. So there's the aspect of like, yeah, it just feels good to do, but there's also the aspect of like thinking of your body in a new way, you know, perceiving it in a new way.
Kannaboomers: (03:12) Is that proprioception, is that the right word?
Stacey Mulvey: (03:15) Right? That's correct.
Kannaboomers: (03:17) Which just means awareness of your body basically.
Stacey Mulvey: (03:20) Yeah. It's like how you sense where, you know, if you walk to the bathroom in the middle of the night, you know right where the light switch is, that's because your proprioception is working because you've turned the light switch on so many times it's just like, oh, I don't have to look at it. I know where I am, where my hand is in space on the wall, you know, relative to the wall to turning on the light switch. So that is your proprioception at work. And we all, you know, of course we all have it, we're all born with it. But you know, kind of, kind of like anything. If you don't use it, you lose it. So if you're sedentary and you're not active, I mean, of course you're always going to have the ability to sense it, but you know, it might not be as finely tuned and responsive as if you know something that you're using all the time.
Stacey Mulvey: (04:04) So, you know, when you're, when you're moving mindfully, like exercise regardless is good, right? Moving is good. But if you're moving in a, in a slow and controlled way where you really are thinking about like, where am I in space? You know, and I'm moving this stuff around in space, like I am moving myself around his thing. You know, you're just kinda continually coming back to that you're, you're really stimulating your mind. You're, you know, you're opening up your mind, you're like kind of requiring that focus. But then when you're doing it along with cannabis, you know, cannabis also has that effect. Cannabis can literally, you know, like the, the way that you are perceiving your own like state and status can be affected by cannabis. So it's like, it's like a dual dose of like mindfulness and awareness, if you will.
Kannaboomers: (04:55) Well, you know, you talk about kind of knowing where the light switch is. We all have muscle memory, right? I mean, if you're a golfer, you know your swing, but when you do yoga, you're literally stretching yourself into different positions. So you're kind of challenging yourself and finding your boundaries a little. Maybe
Stacey Mulvey: (05:14) You are, you're always going back to like, how can I increase, you know, this heightened sense. How can I increase this like alignment that I've found, you know, how can I get even more aligned? How can I get it even more linked in or released or whatever you're trying to balance out, right? Because sometimes, you know, it's like you can do yoga and be certain ways, be extremely flexible. And like for me, when I started doing yoga, I've always had this innate flexibility that turns out actually wasn't really healthy. You know, it was just because everything was like a little too loose and a little too stretched and a little too like out of control. So, um, you know, doing yoga and pilates, like an actually getting a practice going brought that into my awareness because it was like, you know, here I am thinking I'm doing something good for flexibility. But when I actually started thinking about it differently, which cannabis kind of gives you that ability to do right? It kind of gives you space and the ability to be like, you know, what if I did this like slightly different this time or what if I, what have I thought about it in a new way and kind of came at it from a different perspective. It gives you, it gives you that awareness to start, you know, realizing like, you know, I'm actually maybe, I'm open here, but it's because I'm so weak, you know, and I actually need to strengthen this and how do I kind of balance this out and increase the level at which I'm coming to, you know, this pose or to this exercise.
Kannaboomers: (06:40) Well, something we've talked a lot with other guests about is CBD and the way that it helps you achieve homeostasis, getting back to a balance, you know, maybe that's some of what's happening too.
Stacey Mulvey: (06:52) Absolutely. Yeah. I mean, it, for me it's just like so synergistic. I was actually in like going through and, doing some writing and a lot of the effects that we're trying to achieve your exercise, especially an exercise like yoga is like, you know, regulation of the breath. Um, you know, balancing the load, making sure you know, you're not collapsed on one end of the body, but you know, you're like distributing the load throughout your body. You know, increased circulation, increased physical awareness. So all these things are like, well, I'm trying to do this. Like, this is the effect that we're going for when we do this type of exercise. It's like, well, that's the exact same effect we know gets produced when we, when we supplement with CBD. It's kind of like an odd, like a “no duh” type of thing, you know? Um, but yeah, it's like a really easy correlation of like, you know, what we're doing on just trying to produce the body's like own effect. Like it's natural effect. What's actually happening is us trying to activate our endocannabinoid system. So, right. We're looking for like the body's own ability it's innate ability to produce the analogs to CBD. So why not also, you know, give it some help with a phytocannabinoid of CBD, like here, you know, we're going for these effects. You want to activate your endocannabinoid system. Like there's some, some great CBD oil that you can, you know, that you can use to start like a, you know, building up that that body's tone as they say. I don't know if you're familiar with the endocannabinoid tone concept.
Kannaboomers: (08:28) Oh No. Tell me more. Wow.
Stacey Mulvey: (08:31) Oh yeah. Just started to understand it. But it basically, it's along the lines of like, if you have a, if you're low in tone as far as your, your, your endocannabinoid tone, you would really need to build it up to, to get to where like a therapeutic dose would start for you. So to kind of further explain that there's this theory that a lot of people are deficient in endocannabinoid and just in cannabinoids period, right?
Kannaboomers: (09:08) I'm familiar with that idea. And then the idea that you can supplement with phytocannabinoids, right?
Stacey Mulvey: (09:13) So what you're doing to like bring a to supplement and to become, you know, not deficient anymore is you're building up the endocannabinoid tone.
Kannaboomers: (09:23) Almost like a muscle that you would exercise.
Stacey Mulvey: (09:25) Exactly. Yeah, it's fine. It's again, it's amazing how the, you know, how well the analogy works, but you know it's exactly, it's like okay, you're really poor toned. You need to really build it up so that now when you know, exercise or when you supplement or you know, what have you, you are coming from a space of like strength. You know, you can actually like apply power or whatever, you know, in case of like a muscle. But then also it's like, okay, well when you supplement with us, like, you know, standard dose of CBD, it's because you've built up your tone towards actually effective and you're not just like filling in all that negative space that you've been so depleted. If that makes,
Kannaboomers: (10:03) Okay, so kind of a sweet spot that you're aiming for?
Stacey Mulvey: (10:06) Yeah, and it's so interesting that like the, it's a system of our body, you know, that supposedly like that, you know, as far as the research that's coming out that it's like, okay, it's responsible for this homeostasis and yeah. Can you imagine being depleted in that? And you know, just common sense. Even just like picturing that like, okay, you know, the, the, our body's ability to respond to its environment if we're, if we're, we're so depleted in that the processes of that system, that system's ability to, to maintain that. Like, no wonder we're so unhealthy. Like, no wonder we're so, you know, we find it so hard to get going with an exercise program or just like getting out of bed in the morning and just be in the modern world.
Kannaboomers: (10:53) We've talked a lot on the show about foundations of wellness and you know, a good night's sleep is really foundational and, and cannabis can help you there and pain and mood and appetite and all those basic building blocks of health. Yoga and giving yourself that kind of stretch is part of it too.
Stacey Mulvey: (11:10) Absolutely. And you know, and, and those positive effects that you're getting are actually, you know, you triggering your endogenous cannabinoids in your body. So that's the high that you're getting from, you know, the wellness activities that you're doing. It's like you are actually just like naturally producing cannabinoids within yourself. To me, that's the coolest part about it.
Kannaboomers: (11:31) Right. I've been a distance runner for a long time and you know, a long time ago they were talking about endorphins. You get this endorphin rush that gives you the runners high. But lately I've heard that no, that might be all your endocannabinoid system.
Stacey Mulvey: (11:45) There's a study that came out in April, from CU Boulder. It's called the new runners high and there, that's what they're actually saying. They're saying endorphins don't really explain that mood boost that you're getting from exercise. The typical runner's high, it's been attributed to endorphins, but they're like, actually that's, you know, they don't explain that feeling, but endogenous cannabinoids actually might, you know, of course it always like they're always seeing like more research needs to be done and of course it does, you know, so they're not, it's not conclusive, but they're like, hey, this is actually like a better explanation than the whole, like endorphins, this conception that we need to clear up.
Kannaboomers: (12:28) Yeah. The science does keep advancing. And along with that so do our attitudes, I guess. And I want to ask, 10 years ago could you be doing what you're doing now? It seems to me it was kind of unheard of at that time.
Stacey Mulvey: (12:40) Yeah. I don't think I could, like, I think I would just get completely laughed out of the room of anyone and I say that with a grin because I'm, you know, I barely passed the muster anyway. Like I do think a lot of people see it as a joke. Um, which is kind of frustrating because I take it very seriously in that, um, you know, like anything, it's like I really believe in it. And so I take it seriously, not because like I can't, you know, laugh at the fact that so many people do laugh at it and find it a joke, but right. It's just like, okay, I care very passionately and there is science. It's so grounded in science, like there is just like this overwhelming science that we can point to on the fact that, you know, combining the two is beneficial, and why they're beneficial for each other. But the, one of the typical questions that I get, and it's been asked so many times is um, oh, you know, like I'll tell people like what I do and they'll be like, oh, have you ever heard of Goat Yoga? Um, which is like, ah, okay. That tells me that they just, they see it as like this crazy combo of yoga, you know, and I get it. I mean, that makes sense. Like, that's where their mind goes as they're like, yeah, just combine all sorts of random stuff with yoga, you know, with the trend and um, you know, and it is a trend, which is part of why I'm able to do that now. You know, I'm able to like actually kind of put this out here cause people have been, their minds have been opened to you know, stuff with Yoga. But I think it has staying power because it is such a beautiful modality for increasing your own wellness. You know, whether you're doing it in a class or just on your own, you know, moving your body and then moving your body. Like moving your body alone is, is huge. But moving your body with cannabis as a supplement is, you know, to me it's just like the holy grail of, of mental wellness, physical wellness, just, you know, an overall approach to having a healthy lifestyle. It's like if you, if you can move and get cannabis, you're, you've, you've checked off a lot of boxes there.
Kannaboomers: (14:47) Well, and I guess that question comes from my own cultural lens. I, it's possible. And I don't know if you know the history, but what about India? There's been yoga over there forever. There's been cannabis there for a long time. Is there a history to this?
Stacey Mulvey: (15:00) There is. And um, I need to be careful on, you know, stating the specific history because I don't know many of the details other than to say that there are, there's a festival, uh, that I was introduced to called Comella, which is basically like a lot of Indian mystics kind of gathering. And there's a lot of like smoking, like, um, like medicinal consumption of herbs involved. But it's not like the primary focus of the, the festival per se, but it's like heavily involved. And, um, there are several, you know, figures and myths in India of people and like even like the basic myths and um, Upanishads will talk about, uh, an herb from heaven and like how it actually gave rise to consciousness and that type of thing. So it's, very, uh, integrated with the history of yoga. It's just been, you know, Yoga. The thing with yoga is there's this assumption that the way we see it now goes back like thousands and thousands of years exactly as it is, but it's actually been changed so much from the way, you know, from, from the original, the writings of Yoga, the, the, the original like exercises, like people, like anything, right, have integrated into their lives and then it's changed over time. It's adapted to the needs of the population and the opinions and thoughts, you know, the beliefs of whatever society as it, as it grows. And it's only been in the last hundred years or so, even less that the western world started to be introduced to yoga. And, um, and they, you know, even just their awareness of it started to change what the physical exercise aspect of yoga actually meant. Um, you know, some people started inventing different poses and inventing different names. Um, you know, you and you can go back and you can find The Yoga Sutras of Patanjali, and that's probably, you know, that probably the original writing that everybody can go back and look too, but it's not, it's very different from the world of Yoga as today. So it's something I like to point out that people who might have this assumption like, oh, well that's not what, you know, that's not what yoga is. Yoga is this other stuff. And it's like, well, you know, let's look at what you think yoga even is right now. Because your perception might be just this modern version. You know, it might just be something that we started to invent as a modern society, like probably only like 20 years ago.
Stacey Mulvey: (17:30) I mean, there's, there's different styles. There's, there's different schools. Um, there's, there's a lot of different aspects to it.
Kannaboomers: (17:36) As long as you understand the philosophy and you've, you know, you're staying sincere about that. It's like the human, the human body has, have so many options. We're so creative, you know, we're so adaptable. Of course there's going to be innovation as far as, you know, how we, how we interpret that, how we interpret something. You know, something that kind of teaches us how to move.
Kannaboomers: (18:00) Now you're in Las Vegas?
Stacey Mulvey: (18:01)Yes.
Kannaboomers: (18:02) And I'm in San Diego and there's a lot of yoga, you know, up in Encinitas, there's tons of yoga. Do you think there's a west coast east coast dynamic where there's more of it out this way?
Stacey Mulvey: (18:11) That's a good question because you know what's funny is I actually, my largest and most loyal audience is actually based in Boston. And so, um, I will see though I have seen that it is concentrated on the coast. You know, the people that are enthusiastic are definitely more concentrated on the coast. Yeah. But you know what's so funny and really cool is I just released a teacher training program and it's done online. And I actually have several trainees that are in, well, several applicants that I have a trainee in Oklahoma and a trainee in Iowa that want to be cannabis yoga instructors. And so they're like, you know, they're really just going after this from this pioneering spirit of like, yeah, there's, there's little hope for, you know, for, well, I shouldn't say that, but you know, it's like clearly they have an uphill battle as compared to say somebody in San Diego or Las Vegas, right to do that, to do what I'm doing. But they're still, they still signed up, you know, they still want to learn. They still want to start holding the space for when their state does become legals. So, um, so to answer your question, yeah, I do see it as kind of being concentrated and I don't know if there's an east coast, west coast rivalry. There's definitely different flavors that I've noticed. Um, both are great but, but there, but don't count out the, the, the Midwest and like the, you know, the interior part of the country because they're holding it down as much as they can.
Kannaboomers: (19:41) Sure. We're still in this odd period where prohibition is gradually being rolled back and state by state until there's some kind of federal action. But the stigma is lifting and it's becoming more acceptable. And you've got something that kind of brings it into the health realm more so than, than many people want to accept it at this point. But so when you go back to Boston, are you given trainings back there or how, how does, how does your business work?
Stacey Mulvey: (20:08) Well, so I do limited time events in different cities. So I will schedule basically a pop up class in Boston or, um, I haven't done any in San Diego, but it just, you know, in whatever city I did one in LA and I'll schedule it and put it out there to, you know, social media and the world and say, you know, this is the class that you can come to. Um, I, you know, it's been a challenge because there's only one of me. Right. And so, you know, trying to to be everywhere, I'm wasn't working. So that's, you know, that's how I was doing it for the most part. Um, I, this last year though really slowed me down cause I was like, okay, this isn't sustainable on several levels. So let me get a teacher training program together. Um, so that I can train other people to do this and you know, do the teaching so that they can teach and I can be, you know, they can be my like emissary if you will. Um, so the, I, you know, I can kind of be in so that way when I do, so when I do travel is it's great. It's not pressure to like be in one city all the time. It's like, okay, if they have other teachers available, then they can be giving this, this benefit from doing these classes. But then also, you know, I, it kind of like opens up my net where it's like, yeah, no, I really can travel between the coast and do, um, do more of like a focused class on, uh, you know, teaching the teacher, um, is kind of, you know, what, what everything's shifting into as far as my business is concerned. But then also just people who maybe don't have been to some of my classes before and are like, yeah, you know, this is, since it is limited time and I'm not here permanently, that they, you know, want to get in and get a lesson with me. So.
Kannaboomers: (22:00) So you're sort of an evangelist, you're out there training the trainers and
Stacey Mulvey: (22:04) Yeah, I would say so. I didn't think of myself as an evangelist, but I'll take that. That's a good word.
Kannaboomers: (22:12) What sort of uptake have you seen? I mean, how many years have you been doing this and do you see it growing?
Stacey Mulvey: (22:18) So I, oh, I see it growing so much. I absolutely do. And it's really starting to gain traction in this last six months or so, I would say. But personally, I've been teaching classes publicly and like, you know, putting it out there that this is what I do for about two and a half years, coincidentally. And, you know, maybe I still don't know what to think about it, but I, my first class that I taught as Marijuasana, was election night in 2016 so it was November eight. So I always wait. So that's how long it's been public, you know, a thing out there for the public to consume, you know, I was kind of, I had an idea of what I wanted to do for a couple months prior to that though. As far as being a teacher.
Kannaboomers: (23:13) That was right when people started to need it.
Stacey Mulvey: (23:18) That I, I think of it that way where I'm like, cause it, you know, it was such a roller coaster of emotions that night, like being so like thinking everything was going to go one way, right? Like everybody assumed like, okay there's going to be a winner. We all we already know. And then, you know, my heart was broken in my opinion. It was an awful thing, that it wasn't who we thought it was going to be. So, but it was like, oh but this is so exciting. Cause I just taught, you know, the thing I've been wanting to teach for so long and it's, it's finally coming out, but, oh no, no, no. Well the press, so we, we've been coming back.
Kannaboomers: (23:56) Maybe perfect timing is just what the world needed.
Stacey Mulvey: (23:59) Yeah. But I was gonna say, I've been teaching for about 10 years, so my professional teaching career started about 10 years ago. And you know, I had my own journey with physical fitness and then, you know, teaching physical fitness and then understanding how cannabis actually was, was, you know, really integral for me in maintaining and understanding, just even, even, you know, being at that level of fitness, maintaining it, but also even just like achieving that level. Cannabis was fundamental for me. With that
Kannaboomers: (24:29) Was that like a light bulb moment or did you gradually think, what if I tried this and how did you come to that realization?
Stacey Mulvey: (24:37) I kinda came at it from, like a cyclical way. Like I was using cannabis pretty regularly when I started working out. Just as like, okay, I, I did have this epiphany where I was like, oh my God, like my, my body's only going to get, you know, more sore and, and more aged as time goes on. And like, literally the only thing you can do about it is start, you know, moving. I mean, it just, it was like this kind of like, Aha type of moment. So I kicked my own ass and started like, you know, okay, I've got to move, I've got to move, I've got to exercise. So that was a profound shift. But, I went, you know, a bunch of life happened and I came to this realization after a while that cannabis wasn't serving me. I was feeling depressed and alienated. I had just moved from the city where I grew up in to a new place and I was, you know, just sad and just kind of going through that shift. And so I decided to stop using cannabis. Um, and so I did and it actually was a really positive decision for, so for two years I, you know, was able to get out of the, I was just getting so much anxiety. Like climbing the walls, anxiety. I was able to just kind of break out of that. Right. And, um, so in the midst of everything, you know, just life is going along. I was like, okay, I'm actually going to quit my IT job and be a pilates teacher. Like I felt that strongly about hating my career where I was and I was like, this is my passion. I want to teach yoga and pilates. And so pilates had this really rigorous program that required a lot of education to complete. So I was like, okay, that's it. You know, I want to do pilates and I want to go as far as I can with, you know, this mind body training and, take the hardest course I can. So I was nearing the end of that course and I was really struggling like my physical abilities, physical intelligence, and just understanding of what the program required. It just wasn't making sense in my body. It was like I'm trying as hard as I can and it's just, you know, I just felt like the clumsy just disconnected person as any, which was, I think, you know, it really sucks. Um, but in that last, those last couple of months, I just so happened to get invited to, the cannabis cup, the first, the high times cannabis cup that was on us soil from being in Amsterdam and it was held in Denver.
Stacey Mulvey: (27:02) So I was really lucky. I got an invitation and I was, you know, it was like, oh, we know what the, how I'm at, C'mon, I'm at the Cannabis Cup. I'm going to break this, you know, this, self induced prohibition and you know, what, why not? Well, that was, uh, you know, that in itself was amazing. Like, oh my, what was wrong with me? Like I feel like I'm so back on, on board with cannabis and, so I had a really good at great experience there. Went home and you know, just proceeded with my, my practice getting ready for the test that I had coming up for graduating my program and just had the most profound like alignment of the, and this was after I took a really high dose of CBD and smoked and THC, um, just this amazing perception where everything really lined up with the way I was able to move and being able to perfectly control my movement through my thought process. And, um, you know, it was, it was, it was like this spiritual experience, but what was amazing, it was just like so profoundly spiritual, but it was like, there's nothing like outside of myself right now. It's just me, you know, it's just me inhabiting my own body, my bones and my muscles, my mind just perfectly United. Um, you know, and I get that, you know, that Samadhi of yoga and flow, you know, it's a western psychological concept of, you know, just complete immersion in the activity. And it was just, it was still amazing. And I, from that point, the strings and like understanding and just the connections that I was looking for in my body were, they were just there, you know? I mean, of course it was like still, it took like some efforting to be like, okay, I know I needed, you know, here's how I did the exercise. But it wasn't the struggle that it was. It was like, you know, something just sort of like aligned and Kinda like, I dunno, came online if you will. And I really, you know, it's anecdotal, I don't have proof or anything of like, oh, this is what, you know, A, B, and C, you know, equals D in my case, anecdotally, I, I knew that it was cannabis that was, um, you know, where I was finally able to kind of get to that point with my training and my understanding and my body. So, um, yeah.
Kannaboomers: (29:22) Well that makes sense. And you kind of came at a separately, kind of like if you put peanut butter and chocolate together, you knew that exercise was good and you, you had your experience with cannabis, you knew what it was about and then once you put them together…
Stacey Mulvey: (29:35) Right, yeah. And then you're so funny when you do it too. You're like, what, where was this all my life? You know, why didn't this, I mean, and it's what's funny is I was like, I needed to, kind of put it down though, to really come back to it and just be like, no, this is so, so obvious and I'm, and that really was what inspired me to want to teach others. You know, I was like, this, this is profound and everybody deserves to have this feeling. This is like our birth right. To just feel completely embodied and feel strong and healthy and contained in our bodies. Um, yeah.
Kannaboomers: (30:10) Some of the negatives of cannabis. I mean if you don't dose right, it can make you anxious or paranoid or get into couch lock or something. But this is something you can do that requires you to bring yourself to it and to do something.
Stacey Mulvey: (30:24) Yeah I like to bring up, couch lock because there is something really interesting about that effect that this study that I brought up before. Part of what they found is that cannabis actually helps with motivation and then running in turn actually kind of, it helps regularly endocannabinoid levels. So let me backup and kind of unpack that. So it's like, so if we, if we are supplementing with cannabis, right? And you're exercising obviously like you are like, you're using the exercise to like circulate the cannabinoids in your system, circulate blood, you know, exercise has its own intrinsic benefit, but when you're exercising, like socially, you're exercising on its own and you're not, you know, you're not supplementing with anything. Exercise alone actually increases the circulation of your body's own cannabinoid levels. So it's like this bi-directional motivation loop. So you know, like the more you're exercising, the more you're actually like increasing your own motivation to exercise. And um, when, you know, like in these animal studies that they, that they did just to kind of like study the effects of exercising cannabinoids. Um, they had some mice that they'd bred for voluntary running, you know, just like these mice are going to be bred to just like want to run on their own all the time. And so when they were given a cannabinoid antagonist, they, so basically it was like, hey, we're just going to reduce cannabinoids for you. Your endocannabinoids, they stopped running, they stopped their own voluntary running. It's like they got lazy. So instead of cannabis making them, you know, losing their motivation, like taking cannabis away is what killed their motivation. And then they have minds that they've read. This is where a lot of science from cannabinoids and the effects of the endocannabinoid system, they knock out the CB 1 receptor. They're called CB one knockout mice. So they're basically take out the receptor for anandamide and THC or they're just like your bread. Like they just, your, they're not capable of, of that receptor like theirs, it's just not in their body. And because of they basically can't get high so they reduce their levels of voluntary exercise. They basically become lazy. So it's the ones that can't get high or the lazy like stoners and to me it's like, okay, so, you know, like knowing all of that, if you are experiencing couch lock, if you're like, gosh, this is like so hard. I'm like, I'm always like a lot to the couch. I get up and get up and start moving, like actually start to move your body because you know your, you will able to kind of bypass that effect of like whatever. You're just like not motivated to get going. Like if you start to move, that motivation will actually just start to increase as an effect of the cannabis that you, that you've got that you've supplemented with.
Kannaboomers: (33:12) Yeah. You can kind of jumpstart your desire to move. You just got to get started. Do you know of other teachers who are doing this? I mean you're not the only person out here. It's still in.
Stacey Mulvey: (33:24) Yeah. And they're very lovely. Um, so like several a have actually reached out to me and I've enrolled in my teacher training program, which is, which is like such an honor. Like, wow, I, you know, ah, like it's a little bit, um, you know, overwhelming and intimidating, but, you know, I, I'm so grateful. But then there are also, yeah, there are other people that are out there doing that have been, you know, pioneers like myself, you know, again, spreading the word and getting going. Um, there is a woman in California named Dee Dussault. She actually wrote a book called Ganja Yoga and um, she's amazing. And then there's a colleague out in Colorado named Rachel and you know, she's got an amazing cannabis grant. I actually, I'm unfortunately have not been able to take lessons from either one of them, but it's my dream to do so one day just to be the student and let them teach me. But, but yeah, and especially like I said, you know what the teacher training program, there are so many people that are hungry for this knowledge and that wants to be teachers or you know, some people just come at it where they want to deepen their own practice with, with yoga and cannabis and just understand more, you know, and maybe not necessarily teach but just have that information and that, that knowledge, but it's just increasing, you know, people are just like so hungry to learn about it and, and start increasing their understanding. It's definitely just going to get more and more popular in my opinion. That's my prediction.
Kannaboomers: (34:55) It's one of those things that just makes so much sense and I think you begin to see a groundswell where east coast, west coast, Midwest is, it starts popping up because the, the stigma is falling away. People are looking for wellness and it's interesting.
Stacey Mulvey: (35:11) Yeah it's fun to see how it resonates with people. Um, there is a stereotype of like, you know, certain people that do yoga or this image of who does yoga and who doesn't do yoga. And what I've loved to see. Yeah. Like what I love to see in my classes are that stereotype, just being completely irrelevant. You know, like I see every age group come to my class, see every, you know, type, um, you know, every skin color, every class, every, you know, gender, you know, everywhere, every category you could name, you know, like they shop at whole foods, you know. Yeah. Yeah. And that's, and that's what I actually think is so powerful about it because it is breaking even the yoga stereotype, you know, it's like, it's pulling in people who are like every type of person you can imagine. It's still resonating in their brain and the fact that they are coming. And so many of those people that show up where it's like, you know, they had the residents or they're like, I just, I want to do this. It's their first time doing yoga. So that to me, that tells me that they saw, you know, they kind of knew yoga was something that they wanted to do or you know, explore, see if they wanted to put it in their life. And something about the aspect of cannabis being there, you know, that it made it so that they finally went to a class, like they finally actually tried it and you know, hopefully that takes them on a path of like further, you know, exploration of yoga or some sort of, you know, whatever it is with, you know, their wellness journey. But what got them there was the fact that, you know, maybe it was the social aspect that they knew people were going to smoke weed and so they must be pretty chill and accepting. Um, or, you know, or just maybe it was like a physical aspect that they're like, you know, I kind of as helps me with my pain and so yes, I can medicate and, um, you know, being in a safe environment while I moved my body and kind of work through my pain then, then I wanted, I want to try it that way instead of, you know, the typical class environment,
Kannaboomers: (37:19) You know, crossfitters can get injured and you can hurt yourself doing a lot of different exercises. Um, I, you can hurt yourself with yoga too.
Stacey Mulvey: (37:26) With yoga especially, I mean, not all types of yoga or like this or all teachers teach this way. But for me it's really important to teach people in a, in a slow and controlled way because that's, that's going to give you the ability to start honing that proprioception, like how many, that ability to really move yourself around with control and you know, with your mind so that you know, you are, you're solid and you're aware of, of your physical existence and your wellness and that in that way,
Kannaboomers: (37:59) I've been hearing people, instead of calling it strain, they like to call it cultivar. Do you have a preferred, indica or sativa? And do you, do you prefer smoking or vaping or edibles?
Stacey Mulvey: (38:11) Yes, totally. And keep in mind it is subjective and that's what's, um, tricky about cannabis and cannabis and wellness. Just as a, you know, a topic because every person has their own therapeutic window, so like their own therapeutic dose and they're going to respond to different terpenes and different cannabinoid in different ways. Um, I don't know a lot about some of that because, you know, there's some, there's some stuff I've heard where even like, you know, specific types of cancers need certain culpa virus. And to me that's like, I don't, it's hard for me to really speak to it if I don't understand it. But that all that being said, like I have not, I have not found that there's a particular strain or I'm sorry, cultivar, um, or you know, the whole indica and sativa thing is, um, you know, that's a, a complex subject because it was described. Those don't really just those describe the appearance of a plant. Right. Those describe the morphology, right. Although I know that the industry has adopted those as like, okay, there are indica effects and there are sativa effects and we're just going to say that that's indica and sativa. I feel like for myself, I just go for a hybrid cause I'm like, you know, like they're pretty much all hybrids anyway. And it's, that's what I respond to. So it's, it's really like whoever, if you know, if you're like, well, what should I take? And I don't know what to do. And you know, I would say, okay, give it a sniff or give it a taste. And do you like this one? And if you're like, yeah, I really like this one as opposed to this other one, then that go with the one that you're responding to because that is your body telling you like, Hey, this, you know, I actually maybe need these terpenes or you know, whatever, whatever entre for entourage effect you've got going on. Um, you know, you, you and enjoying that experience, that's, that's telling you something. But to really answer your question for myself, I really like orange cookies. That's a strain out here, um, in Nevada that I've just really started to love. It's a Girl Scout cookies and I want to say, ah, little Runge cross. I don't, I know it's Girl Scouts. This is one of the origins.
Kannaboomers: (40:39) It's orange cookies, you said?
Stacey Mulvey: (40:41) Oh, and I like to smoke. I personally like to smoke flower. I'm just an old fashioned girl I guess. But I like this just so straightforward. This is how I've always done it. And so, you know, I'm not opposed to like vaping or edibles or anything like that, but I just, I'm just so used to, my typical way that I just stick to that.
Kannaboomers: (41:06) Yeah. Kind of straight up. A lot of what you've talked about is listening to your body.
Stacey Mulvey: (41:12) The fact that that is like what you have to do as you start medicating with cannabis and you start doing it with yoga is that you are taking, you're empowering yourself. You are taking your own health and wellness into your hands and you're saying, okay, I now in charge of this experiment of wellness and this experiment of cannabis, like how do I feel? Do I feel better? You know, did, did I improve or not? And that alone is so powerful and will start to ripple through your life as far as your own health because you took your own power back. You're not, you're not putting it in the hands of, you know, some external force like the doctor that, you know, just like, just give me pills and just tell me what to do. Put me under the knife. You're like, well wait, I want to start figuring this out. And, and, and you, you know, like I said, it's your, you're empowering yourself and that's just, that is so important. Meaningful in terms of your own wellness.
Kannaboomers: (42:11) That's a huge, huge problem. I think we could reform our healthcare system right around, you know, just getting people to be, take ownership of the results that they through their health habits. Um, I have to tell you when I did follow your video, which is so great to have online, it felt the muscles relaxed and everything and then the visual, the visualization you do at the end was amazing. Is that something that came to you or is that a technique that you learned or where does something like that come from?
Stacey Mulvey: (42:41) It came to me, you know, obviously I've been influenced by teachers and other, you know, meditations and, you know, kind of synthesize that all my brain, but that specific relaxation, um, can me describing the bones of the body and um, you know, sort of releasing the, just are not real. Just in just letting this, the thought process of like, what to do with your muscles, that just focusing on the bones, like it just takes you to this really like neutral place because we store emotions in our bodies and we, you know, they're like different triggers and like patterns that kind of get activated through our muscles. So speaking to the bones and, you know, just kind of, it's like you're just kind of like clearing out what's in the way. Um, I've found is a really cool, a really effective way of, of relaxing people and like, you know, we're just kind of letting them like, think about, uh, like I said, something more neutral. It's like almost like a more neutral substance than muscle. Like you can kind of neutralize whatever's happening in the muscles by speaking to the physio. Physiology of the bones and bones are universal. Like everybody, everybody knows what their side bone feels like, you know, but not everybody knows how, you know, he described some sort of muscular action, like what it's like to swing a golf club. You know? I was like, what? I don't know. I don't know. I feel, I think it's this way or I learned it that way. You know, there's like all these different interpretations, but it's like this really like universal, like neutral landmark that we can all relate to. Um, and so yeah, so you know, that visualization was just kind of evolved over time, you know, just kind of noticing that and wanting to, um, wanting to speak in a, in a also, you know, besides, I'm neutral as far as the actual brain that's hearing it, but also neutral in terms of like any like philosophy or um, you know, anything like that. Like there's no religious connotation is completely secular, completely universal. You know, if you're a human and you're hearing that, it's like, oh, I get, I, I get that. You know, you don't have to filter, you don't have to filter like a belief system. So, um, yeah. So that was another reason for that.
Kannaboomers: (44:56) Well, it's nice because most of us are just, we take our bones for granted. We don't really think of them that much, but you intentionally kind of draw our attention to just about every bone in our body. And that's pretty amazing.
Stacey Mulvey: (45:07) Thats very, very good. I feel glad to hear that, Tom.
Kannaboomers: (45:10) Yeah. And I want to encourage all our listeners to go ahead and do the same experience because it's, it's pretty amazing. And you, uh, put that, make that available online. So we should tell people where to find you online.
Stacey Mulvey: (45:21) Yeah. marijiasana.com or, um, at marijuasana on Instagram and all, you know, all the different channels. Um, and the way that that's spelled is M A R I J U A S A N A .com. And it's basically, it's if the word of marijuana and the word asana, which is a Sanskrit word for pose, basically. So all yoga poses and in the word asana, so there's like tricanasna, or halasana. So, um, so it's a, it's a [inaudible] like brunch, right? Like breakfast and lunch, but the happy middle there. So marijuasana, marijuana, and often, uh, cannabis and yoga. Yeah.
Kannaboomers: (46:11) It's a great mash up. Yeah. Well, thank you for taking the time. Um, we really appreciate it and I think you're really on to something. I know this is gonna become a, a much bigger movement as it grows. And, um, maybe, uh, you know, six months or a year down the road, we can have you back on and you can tell us about how huge it's gotten in time.
Stacey Mulvey: (46:27) I would love that. Thank you so much. This has been a real pleasure.
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