14 | Antonio DeRose, Competitive Trail Runner and Cannabis Wellness Expert

Has cannabis ever helped you get in the zone? Or get a good night's sleep? Every athlete is looking for an edge, and our guest Antonio DeRose says he's found it. Antonio smokes flower to help him train better as a competitive trail runner, and uses CBD oil to help him recover from workouts and races. As a partner with his wife Heather in Colorado-based Green House Healthy, he's also an advocate of using hemp and cannabis products to support a healthy lifestyle. Listen to learn more about the many ways you can integrate cannabis into your wellness routine.


Kannaboomers: 00:00 Hey, it's Tom. Welcome back to the Kannaboomers Podcast. This week we talk with Antonio DeRose, a competitive trail runner who uses cannabis every day to help him train better, recover better, and just live better. This whole episode is focused on cannabis as a wellness tool that you can use to help with insomnia, arthritis, anxiety, and we even dive into using it as an alternative to alcohol. I know a lot of baby boomers and people who aren't baby boomers are interested in all those aspects. I hope you enjoy the episode. Thanks for listening. This is. Let's Talk About Weed the Kannaboomers Podcast: CBD microdosing, and all things related to medical cannabis for baby boomers from San Diego. Here's your host, Thomas J. So Antonio, tell us where you are today.

Antonio DeRose: 00:48 Boulder, Colorado.

Kannaboomers: 00:49 Nice living the life up there. You're a competitive distance runner and you also have a business helping people figure out how to use cannabis for wellness.

Antonio DeRose: 00:58 So I do competitive trail running and then I'm also a certified personal trainer and I specialize in. I'm incorporating cannabis into fitness routines.

Kannaboomers: 01:09 Obviously you have some experience using it yourself in your own competitive endeavors. I would assume I use it for both performance and recovery.

Antonio DeRose: 01:17 Um, I consumed before I train after I train and then I'm also a consumer daily, so I consume a pretty much all throughout the day.

Kannaboomers: 01:26 I was a distance runner for awhile. I can, I guess I can get how it could help you focus, you know, if you're on a training run that's 60 minutes or longer, it's easy for your mind to wander and you do kind of want to monitor your body while you're going through that workout. Is that how you use it for the focus side of it?

Antonio DeRose: 01:42 Yes. It definitely creates a, a better sense of body. You kind of get more in tune with your nervous system and creates a better mind body connection. Right. Like how many miles a week are you running on average? I don't train as much as I run our season right now. Ended for the year. We ended last month I think for our races and so I'm actually transitioning into a more strength training right now, preparing for next year season. But during like the peak of my race season, I'm running at least five miles a day.

Kannaboomers: 02:18 I checked your Facebook page and you have a lot of sponsors. So obviously you're pretty accomplished at this. What sort of events are these? How long are you running and how big is the field and all that?

Antonio DeRose: 02:30 Sure. So it actually, it depends on the event. We do a variety of different athletic competitions. Um, the first year that we started, this was back in 2016 and we, and by we, I mean my wife, Heather, Heather and I created our business which is now Green House Healthy. We just a rebranded to Green House Healthy this year from Marijuana Fitness Nutrition, uh, to better focus in, on our goals of educating people about plant medicine in general, not just cannabis. It's just one, one tool in the toolkit for wellness. And uh, that year we did all of the for 20 games, so we're actually the first people to complete entire for 20 games national tour and it's the only traveling athletic event series that promotes cannabis as part of a healthy and active lifestyle. The, uh, the race itself is 4.2 miles for those and it's just a 5K plus an extra mile to prove that people who consume cannabis aren't lazy. And then we stepped it up this year and we did the entire Colorado trail series sponsored by law sportiva and that consisted everywhere from 5Ks to 11Ks all high altitude runs in the Vail Valley of Colorado. And we also did a spartan obstacle race this year. So we, that was on Fort Carson military base here in Colorado and that consisted of about 15 or 20 obstacles. And then I think it was about five or six miles total. But our big long distance competition that we did this year was the Ragnar Trail Relay. So we actually got together a team of eight athletes, all who consumed cannabis, um, and we went to the Ragnar trail relay in Snowmass, Colorado, which was 114 miles total, split up between three different legs for each athlete. And each athlete did 14 point four miles total amongst their three legs. And we compete. We completed the 114 miles and under 23 hours.

Kannaboomers: 04:33 Well, how did you place among your competitors for the Ragnar relay?

Antonio DeRose: 04:38 I think we came in somewhere in the middle. We weren't really focused on the placing as much as the education and awareness. We were actually wearing. Our whole team had specific clothing. We all had cannabis leaves on our stuff and we were talking to people and having conversations. We were the only cannabis positive team that was there that was specifically focused on that. And it's actually a family event. So it takes place over three days. There's a camp out and you camp out with everybody and they've got a big village full of vendors. So there's lots of opportunities to bring up the conversation of how to incorporate cannabis into wellness. And a lot of people are already doing it, they just don't really talk about it as much.

Kannaboomers: 05:17 Well, Colorado and then I know I've seen the 4:20 games out here in California and I guess those are going to be the leading markets. Well Washington and Oregon too, I suppose, where there's some receptiveness to the whole idea of a cannabis for wellness, do you run into much resistance to the idea?

Antonio DeRose: 05:33 Not much resistance as much as questions. Um, a lot of people will question it just because they don't necessarily look at it either as a medicinal product yet or they don't realize that athletes are already consuming it. But there are professional organizations like Athletes for Care who are a group of professional athletes that came together. Um, they're all retired professional athletes from all different sports and they're getting enough press too where it's becoming more mainstream and people realize that it is part of a lot of different athletes routines because the market's actually everywhere. I'm also heavily involved in Missouri and uh, Missouri just became the 32nd state to legalize medicinal cannabis. And a lot of the athletes out there consume it, but they don't talk about it because of a backlash from either a job they hold or the particular sports organization that they're, um, they're working under.

Kannaboomers: 06:39 Sure. We're at that moment in time where there are still sort of the undertow of 80 years of prohibition and the just say no messaging and that it's the devil's weed and all that stuff. And then we're pivoting to, while it's good for you in so many ways. So it's really interesting to me that you're kind of on the forefront of that. Showing that, yeah, I can be a very competitive athlete using this plant based substance to, like you said, help you focus. And then the, did you say for recovery as well?

Antonio DeRose: 07:07 Yes, definitely for recovery, I'm anti inflammation. And then for pain management as well, uh, running on the trails that often can be really rough on the ankles. For me personally, the impact is that because I ran more this year than I've ran into any other years and I had some issues from spinal decompression and it really helped with that as well.

Kannaboomers: 07:31 Right, part of my audience at least are baby boomers who are familiar with muscular and joint pain. Tell us more about that. Do you take a tincture? Do you use a balm? How do you administer in cannabis or CBD or is it a combination?

Antonio DeRose: 07:46 I actually do a combination of pretty much everything and how I consume is all products, so I do everything from tinctures to edibles. I prefer flower, I do consume concentrates and I use topicals a lot and then I also use just hemp derived CBD, which doesn't have any THC in it. It just depends on what it's for. I'm also a product tester, so I get paid to blind tests, different cannabis products and then rate them to give consumers a better idea of what those products would be best for or if they would be better for certain things. As far as my general use, my general use is going to be flower and then topicals at least every day.

Kannaboomers: 08:31 So as a runner, are you concerned with your lungs at all? Do you, do you vape or do you smoke?

Antonio DeRose: 08:36 I prefer to smoke. Um, I do vape sometimes. And then I also vape concentrates, so that's the, um, like the shatter or wax or, or, you know, they have live resin. There's so many different types of extraction methods and extraction products. But I prefer the flower. I've been consuming cannabis for over 15 years. I started with flower 15 years ago and I think that there's a big benefit from consuming the raw plant. Um, you get all of the cannabinoids that are in the plant and you get all of the, um, the different terpines, the terpines we're finding out or being a very, very important to the health and wellness aspect as well as the effect that it has on people and the terpines or what causes the smell. That's why it smells different in each different plant.

Kannaboomers: 09:22 Sure. So you have a lot of experience. So, and when you're talking about concentrates, we're not talking about microdosing, you're getting a pretty good dose. Have you identified a favorite strain? How do you feel about indica and sativa?

Antonio DeRose: 09:35 Honestly, it's a tough subject in the industry, um, because for anyone being introduced to cannabis, it's a good start to understand the difference between indica and sativa, but once you get into the industry, um, you realize that it doesn't necessarily have a indicator on effect as much as we thought it did or as much as they're telling people. Also, I've worked on a cannabis farm. I spent an entire season from seed to sale and that's 6,000 plants, all outdoor organic cannabis grow. And um, I've also, my wife worked in a dispensary in a medicinal dispensary here in Colorado and then I have tons of friends who have worked in different dispensaries and on different grows and unfortunately sometimes strains get mixed up. So you might be presented with a strain at a dispensary and it might not necessarily be the exact name that's on there. Um, and then as far as the indicas sativa goes, it's a kind of a good indicator of how the plant is going to grow. Not necessarily the effect it's gonna have on the user, but if you go into a dispensary right now, that's what they're going to talk to you about. Is there an talk to you? Do you want sativa, which is typically associated with a head high or do you want an indica, which is typically associated with a more of a body feeling, but I honestly, I don't. I don't put any. I'm like, weight, in strains, I'm not concerned with strains. I know certain ones I tend to avoid just because I've found that if I consume that particular one, I'm from different places. It has a certain effect on me, but I can consume. I consume say like a Durban poison. I'm at one shop and then I can concern consume a Durban poison from a different shop and they'll have totally different effects because the way that it grows and how they grow it is going to have a significant outcome on the effects for the consumer.

Kannaboomers: 11:32 Right. Well, I've heard some people just say it's bullshit. You know, there's, there, there's so much hybridization that's occurred and those are really meaningless terms, but again, as you say for the consumer, you want some idea of what you're getting. I mean, I haven't smoked a lot and, and ran, I, you know, it was decades ago and when I was at school where I ran with a friend and we'd get high, I think for us the thing was once we got out, you've got to get out the door because there's always the danger of couch lock if it's, you know, if you, if you don't have the momentum, you could end up just sitting there.

Antonio DeRose: 12:05 Yeah. And they associate a lot of indicas with couch lock. Um, personally I consume before I go run. Um, and the reason why as I liked the sedated effect that some of the, the headier strains tend to have. And it also helps with the pain management. So if I'm having any issues with my spine or like my ankles or anything like that, um, it's going to dull my pain down to where I don't really notice it. And I can really loosen up. And get into a run and then since it does have a sedating effect, it also helps me focus, even though it isn't really a, a head stimulation, uh, it helps me get in the zone because I kind of zone out a little bit and I really get into the run.

Kannaboomers: 12:43 You're describing some pretty arduous kind of trail runs. I mean you probably have a lot of rolling hills and like the Spartan race, you've got obstacles, so you need to have your wits about you as well.

Antonio DeRose: 12:53 Yes. The Sportiva mountain series here in Colorado is one of the most beautiful runs, but it's all a high altitude and the terrain can be super rocky. Uh, one of my favorite runs actually just goes, it's called, um, the Berry Picker and it actually does the Berry Picker Trail in Vail, Colorado. And it's through the woods, uh, tons of roots, uh, tons of elevation. And you go up and then you go down. It's a really, really cool run, but it's very technical. But honestly that's one of my favorite trails that I've ever had.

Kannaboomers: 13:27 Cool. Do you, are you wearing Nike's or Merrill's or what kind of footwear do you do you prefer?

Antonio DeRose: 13:32 Uh, this past year I actually went with last 14 years and I was trying not to La Sportiva Raptors and then the last Sportiva Lichens, so I ended up doing the Raptors, which are more of a, um, they kind of have cleats on them. I did those for the uphills. I did avail hill climb, which was seven point one miles just straight up hill and then, um, the Berry Picker, which is just a, it's five miles, just straight up hill with average grades of 14 percent. So the Raptors really helped with traction and then the rest of the time I just used the Lichens which um, are really good trail shoe in general.

Kannaboomers: 14:10 Well, and you'd have to be listening to your body to figure it out. The exertion and stuff. I assume that cannabis helps in that regard. I mean, you have a, probably a very finely tuned ability to gauge your effort when you're a little bit high.

Antonio DeRose: 14:23 Yeah, for sure. It definitely, uh, like I said, it does give you a better mind body connection in my opinion and for me that allows for greater neuromuscular control.

Kannaboomers: 14:34 That makes sense. Have you heard of the Dipsea? That's a run up in Marin. That sounds like it might be right up your alley. It's a, sometimes it's old guys who win it. Sometimes it's younger people, but it's just like the Marin highlands are really challenging terrain and it's a, they made a movie it a long time ago. Uh, Bruce Dern is in. It might look it up. I've always wanted to do it, but you have to. I think you have to win a lottery. Yeah. Yeah, it's really good.

Antonio DeRose: 15:01 Those are tough to get into sometimes just always sounded like so much fun. Yeah, I have to check it out.

Kannaboomers: 15:05 We've covered the running. Tell me about your business and what you guys are doing and, and how you got into that.

Antonio DeRose: 15:10 So we actually got into it. We started working on that farm and the people that we worked with [inaudible], there were several people on the farm. Uh, they all had different stories and we moved to Colorado from Missouri in 2015. My wife actually has epilepsy and we came here for the medicinal cannabis and when we coming from a conservative state like Missouri, like I said, I consumed for over 15 years. I've only been living in Colorado since 2015, so most of that time was all in Missouri, which is an illegal state. And, but I always, I was never vocal about my consumption because I didn't want to get fired from my job or get in trouble. And once we came here and started listening to people's stories and how it really had a positive impact on their life or improve the quality of their life in some way, uh, we realized that we really wanted to get involved in the industry. And we were already very focused on health and fitness at the time. So we realized that we could combine the two since we were already consuming before and after we would train. We just didn't realize that we were doing it for all of the medicinal benefits until we learned more. And once we started educating ourselves more, we just wanted to try and break the stigma of cannabis consumption because consumers of cannabis have always been portrayed as lazy or stupid, and it just isn't the case, you know, the majority of people that consume cannabis are just like everybody else, you know, they're top level CEOs, they're athletes, they're the clerk at the grocery store. It's everybody. There is no particular genre or like Jeff Sessions says, uh, people who smoke cannabis are bad people. And in seeing all that negative stigma, we realized we could make a change. So we set out to create a educational platform which started out as Marijuana Fitness Nutrition, which we had as MJ Fitness, um, online. And we got so much support. We had 12 sponsors within the first three months of starting our business in 2016. And this past year was super successful with people supporting us, getting out and educating. And we realized that that's what we wanted to focus on was the education piece. So then we switched over to Green House Healthy, uh, in October. So our goal is to educate people not just about the medicinal benefits of cannabis, but also a plant-based diets and eco-friendly products and how your everyday choices can contribute to the quality of life for everyone on the planet as well as the planet itself.

Kannaboomers: 18:04 So when you say you have a platform, what does that look like? Do you have events or how do you engage with people?

Antonio DeRose: 18:09 So we do have events. Um, we actually just hosted a Vegan Hempsgiving in November. We're big proponents for hemp foods and the industrial use of hemp across all areas that it is available for, which includes textiles, uh, manufacturing. It can replace plastics, hempcrete, it can be used in homes, but I'm gonna end up going off on a tangent to answer your question. Um, so the events we do are experiential events. Uh, the Vegan Hempsgiving that we had all of the food was entirely plant based. So there were no animal products. And then we also had hemp infused into every single dish that we had. And by infused, I don't necessarily mean like a CBD, although we did have CBD there, we actually had a CBD coffee and we had to CBD tea and then we also had a CBD toast that we did. Um, but we actually had him foods in all of the dishes, hempseed and stuff. So hemp seed was in some of it. Um, we even had a, we had cupcakes that had a maple cinnamon hemp sprinkles on top, which were a seasoned hemp seeds, but we partnered with a couple of hemp food companies that make him food products. Uh, they're both local companies in Colorado. One is Hemp Way foods, the other is truthful bites and they both make different hemp food products. The Truthful Bites, we had their Hip and their Hemp, uh, Italian sausage and that was in a couple of different dishes. And then the Hemp Way Foods makes an actual burger replacement. So they have a [inaudible] foods burger. And we used their burger crumbles in the main dish that we had.

Kannaboomers: 19:59 Well, I was unaware of that. I use hemp seed in my oatmeal almost every day. And I know it's high in Omega threes, which a lot of Americans are lacking. We Omega sixes out of fish oil and stuff. But can you talk about some of the nutritional components? So why is hemp such a great food?

Antonio DeRose: 20:16 Yeah, it's actually one of the most powerful protein sources on the planet. So hemp protein specifically, um, is made up of 65 percent of edestin , which I'm no other plant on earth has a higher level of edestin and it's the most easily digestible protein for the human body. So it's most highly bioavailable protein that you can get. The other 35 percent is made up of albumin, which is responsible for the functioning of enzymes in the blood, plasma and formation of an antibody. So it boosts your immune system. But for the Omega threes, one of the most important things is it's specifically high in Omega three fatty acid called Lionel lenic acid, which studies have shown help prevent coronary heart disease. So it just helps your body function overall. Um, and then also gives you the protein profile which is unmatched among other plants. It's one of very few plants that has all 20 amino acids and it also has all nine essential amino acids which make it a complete protein because the body can't produce those nine essential amino acids on its own, so we have to get those from the foods we eat and no other, not no other, but very few other plants have that strong of a protein profile.

Kannaboomers: 21:34 What a powerful story to be telling. And again, I mean we've touched on a bunch of the 80 years of prohibition, didn't help just with cannabis itself, but also with hemp, right? I mean, it was illegal to farm in the U.S. Wasn't it?

Antonio DeRose: 21:47 It was actually required to farm, I don't remember exactly when it was, but there was a period of time in our nation where you were required to grow hemp. And that was because they used it for a, all the rope on the sail ships. They used it for clothing. They used it for the very first American flag was made out of hemp. The, uh, the, the constitution was written on hemp paper. It was a staple and a backbone of our country for a long time before it got demonized.

Kannaboomers: 22:20 Right. The whole marijuana scare put it on the back burner, right?

Antonio DeRose: 22:25 Yeah. And it was a, it was actually a tactic done by a group of wealthy businessmen who had investments in the competing industries that we're still up against today. A hemp can replace the plastic industry, so, um, it can also help replace the, the paper industry, which deforest all of the trees that give us the oxygen that we need to live. And um, it's just, it's just crazy that money is what stopped it. It's not necessarily crazy. I mean, that's what runs everything essentially.

Kannaboomers: 23:00 I think I remember something William Randolph Hearst who owned a bunch of newspapers. Yeah, he, he wanted, he had a supply chain that went to forests and he wanted paper made from pulp actually. And he was very influential. The story to tell that you're telling now is this incredibly nutritious food product where there's no cycle activity there and that's something that you can integrate into your wellness routine in addition to CBD. And the training aid that cannabis can be. Yeah, definitely. So part of your mission, a Green House Healthy is you've got a platform where you engage people through events and other things where you're talking about hemp, a nutritional source in your diet that can help with wellness. And then obviously other things we talked about CBD and cannabis itself.

Antonio DeRose: 23:54 Yeah, we did. Um, besides the events that we do, uh, we also do a lot of promotion online. So we actually write a weekly cannabis and fitness column for five different locally targeted websites in Colorado and we've been doing that for almost two years now. And then we also produce content on our own website. And then throughout all of our social media platforms we really focused on social media, on getting out there and destigmatizing because it's obviously the most popular and still growing section of marketing for businesses. But also just for education and awareness. And we have a team of athletes that we work with that help us represent the brand. And we also have a charity miles team right now. We've got 16 members on our team and since inception, which was, we started this in March of this year, um, as a team, we've completed over 2,700 miles either running, walking or biking, all creating real monetary donations to reputable charities that they're partnered with, like the ALS foundation and the National Park Service and the SPCA and several others.

Kannaboomers: 25:07 Do you kind of counsel or give advice to people or just at least give them some perspective on integrating this into their diet? I know when I was running I was always interested in what could help me be a better runner competitively and just putting the miles in. If there was anything that could give me an advantage, I was very interested in investigating that.

Antonio DeRose: 25:27 Yeah, definitely do that as part of my fitness consultations. So I do work as a personal trainer. We've done group fitness classes and then we also do a one on one personal training. And then, like I said, I specialize in how to incorporate cannabis into your performance and recovery routine, but also talking about how to include hemp foods for the nutritional benefits. Obviously, like I said earlier, the Omega three, Lionel lenic acid is going to help prevent coronary heart disease and your heart is what keeps you going. It's what keeps you active and the healthier that is, the healthier you're going to be as an athlete when you start talking about cannabis.

Kannaboomers: 26:09 So can get it kind of complex. And we've touched on, you know, there's a test and learn aspect to discovering what strain is going to have, what effect for you personally. And it might differ from me. So what do you tell someone who's just beginning to try this as a training aid to start slow and then also to experiment with different methods of consumption?

Antonio DeRose: 26:32 You know, I know a lot of people that, um, they don't like the idea of consuming flower because they might be concerned as an athlete about their lungs, even though there has no research that indicates I'm consuming cannabis, flower does damage to the lungs themselves. It's also a bronco dilator, so it actually helps you absorb more oxygen, which is why I like to consume flower.

Kannaboomers: 26:58 Well, I'm a little nervous about my lungs, so I just seem to, if I do smoke, I seem to notice a little little respiratory possibility of a cough and I don't know, I don't smoke that much, that, uh, that it would become an issue, but it's something I've noticed and I don't know if you hear that from other people.

Antonio DeRose: 27:16 Some people. Yeah. Some people definitely prefer to vape. I know some people that just prefer to use edibles, especially I'm ultra distance runners. They use a lot of edibles because they can consume it before they start running and it'll kick in, you know, two, three hours into their, their run. They're running for, you know, 10 plus hours. There's a lot of people out there that are running 100Ks. Um, people can look up the name. Avery Collins, he is a professional ultra runner and he sponsored by a couple of different cannabis companies

Kannaboomers: 27:48 Talking about test and learn. That's another thing where you want to get the dose, right, because it is more intense, right?

Antonio DeRose: 27:54 Yeah, and I honestly, I don't like the term dose, I'm just because nobody wants to get dosed. And for me, um, cannabis, whether it be the flower product or whether it be a hemp food product is a nutritional supplement and when you go into eventually you're going to be able to go into GNC or whatever supplement superstore, whatever store you go to and they're gonna have cannabis products there because it is a health and wellness supplement. Um, if you look at tea, a tea is served in servings, so I look at it as consuming as serving and not consuming a dose. Um, and I'd like to say too, just because it's a good example of another dried herbs because you can actually consume cannabis and tea as well. Sure.

Kannaboomers: 28:40 What would you consider a serving like one hit?

Antonio DeRose: 28:42 A depends on the individual. That's what's so difficult to determine. Like a broad sense of what will be best for everyone. There really isn't a what would be best for everyone. I always recommend if you're just starting out, start with one, start with one hit and then see how that affects you and then don't, don't go overboard. And then if you go to like edibles, um, I wouldn't recommend anything over five milligrams for your first time and you're not going to feel anything for at least an hour, an hour and a half. So don't take anymore. That's what a lot of people will do is they'll take one and when you eat it, it actually turns into a different compound. So it takes a little while for the liver to turn it into a Delta hydroxy 11, which is what the THC converts into and why it has such a more powerful effect than just consuming the flower vaping a concentrate.

Kannaboomers: 29:36 We've talked about this with other guests that there are enough component, there are complicating factors. This is not like a lot of things in western medicine where the doctor will tell you, you know, take two of these pills each day and you're, you know, if it's an antibiotic that will get better or whatever. With cannabis, the patient has to be paying attention. And, and you know, maybe you keep a journal or you, uh, take notes somehow of the effect and there, there really is sort of a test and learn dynamic at work.

Antonio DeRose: 30:05 Yeah. And I do recommend I'm definitely keeping a journal. That's kinda how I realized that certain strains will have certain qualities that I'd done, like I'm Durban poison for example, is one that there are certain Durbin Poisons were, excites me enough like caffeine, but it excites me to the point of actually giving me some anxiety, especially if I have like a lot of stress going on at that time. So I tend to avoid that particular one. But I also think that it could have a lot to do with the terpene profile that's in Durban poison that could very batch to batch or are there different growers growing that strain and they have different micro strains of it or. Yes, to both.

Kannaboomers: 30:51 You just have to be paying attention I guess, or trying it. I mean, you're not gonna want to buy too much of it if you think it over excites you.

Antonio DeRose: 30:57 Yeah. And it's definitely, it's just super individualized. So it's like, it's just whatever you prefer. So if you have, um, like personally I really enjoy the effect of edibles. So, um, I don't consume edibles all the time, but that's my preferred method of consumption and the only reason why I don't consume edibles all the time, it's because they're really expensive and I'm, I'm too busy to make my own. Well, not too busy, I just don't make the time.

Kannaboomers: 31:22 Right. There's a lot involved in that too. Again, we have an audience of a, of boomers who are, have things like insomnia, arthritis, anxiety. Um, maybe some of us are looking for an alternative to alcohol. It seems like cannabis could fit the bill for a lot of these things.

Antonio DeRose: 31:38 Yeah, for sure. Um, I would, uh, I would like to touch on each of those a little bit individually. Starting with the alcohol side. I'm actually, I'm a recovered alcoholic. I haven't had a drink in over two years now. I actually, I was able to overcome not only addiction to alcohol, but addictions to opioids and other narcotics back when I lived in Missouri, thanks to cannabis. So it has helped me get over those addictions. Alcohol specifically for me. I continued to drink a long after I stopped using opioids and I was finally able to kick it a couple of years ago and being able to consume cannabis in social situations is what actually kind of gave me the ability to get over it because that was the problem I'd always run into, you know, I wouldn't drink at home, but whenever you go out with people or you go out to, I go to a lot of networking events and there's either free alcohol or everyone's drinking, um, and you can kind of feel pressured and you kind of feel a little left out kind of. So I would drink anyway just to kind of fit in. But with being able to consume here in Colorado and being able to consume at the networking functions and some of the events we would go to or right before or right after a really gave me the ability to kind of just stop drinking altogether. And there are products out there that you can just add to drinks. So, um, there's actually one that I use in particular called Ripple and it's a dissolvable THC or CBD. They have both and I would actually just go to the free bar and order a, a pineapple juice and just put it in my pineapple juice and then I'm having a cannabis cocktail, um, along with everybody else and it doesn't always felt like I looked awkward, never drinking. But I think that's just a personal thing,

Kannaboomers: 33:35 I totally get it. I mean, we live in a society where there's so much. I mean if you go bowling or you go to a game or any kind of party, yeah, there's people are drinking beer and wine and you know, there's a lot of pressure as you say. So it's great to know that there is an alternative and if you can be discreet about it, you don't even have to be in a state. Well, I guess we're not gonna advocate to anybody break the law, but in places like Colorado and California, is, it is socially more acceptable now to have a hit? Although I don't see it very often. I'm in California and I don't know if you're in a bar, it's probably not cool. I don't know the laws on how public you can be about your consumption. We're going to have to find that out.

Antonio DeRose: 34:17 Yeah, I think it varies by county cause you'd have to get… I don't know, all the social consumption laws right now. The social consumption laws in Colorado are pretty crappy. You pretty much you can. You can buy it, but you cannot really consume it anywhere legally right now other than like a private residence, but that's a whole nother issue.

Kannaboomers: 34:35 Yeah, that's a great story to tell. You know, I think there are a lot of people who maybe over decades of whether they're social drinking or they're alcoholics or somewhere in between, but are concerned enough about their health, their finances, their relationships are the many ways that alcohol can be a destructive thing in your life. There is an alternative that you can use to relax and be okay in social situations.

Antonio DeRose: 34:58 Yeah, I agree. And then for the, like arthritis specifically, I actually was just published in Chiropractic Economics magazine last month, specifically talking about, I'm talking about rheumatoid arthritis and fibrosis, so CBD specifically can attach to the CB 2 receptors and which are part of the endocannabinoid system that actually encourages the reduction of inflammation in several areas of the body, including tissue, the brain, intestines, and then there are studies out there that you can find that show that it does have a positive therapeutic use. Fibrosis and rheumatoid arthritis. So anyone that does have pains in their, uh, their joints. I actually, um, my grandpa got his knee replaced a couple of years ago and he was very anti cannabis. Um, he's very supportive of what I do just because he supports me, but he's still on the fence. And as I've been doing this over the past few years, he's gotten more open to it. And he finally opened up and said that he wished that he had his old knee back because of the pain from the new knee. And when we went to Missouri, we took some CBD topicals and they let them try those.

Kannaboomers: 36:15 I've had put it CBD topicals or hemp balm on my knees and I have been amazed at the results. I mean, it's really uncanny. Do you suggest tinctures or capsules as well as the balm?

Antonio DeRose: 36:29 If you're going for just like a internal pain? I would definitely go both a, some sort of oral consumption, whether it be an edible or a tincture. And then, um, the topical, uh, is specifically beneficial for targeting isolated areas because it's gonna absorb through the skin. It's actually when you use a transdermal or topical product, it's the most bio available. You're going to get 80 percent of what's in that product versus like if you consume flower, you're only getting 20 percent of the actual cannabinoids that are in that flower. Good to know. And then for sleep insomnia, uh, it's actually a cbd specifically has an effect where it balances out your body. Essentially, the endocannabinoid system is responsible for homeostasis in your body. So the good thing about cbd is if you need rest and you take cbd, it's going to help you sleep. If you are well rested and you take CBD, it might speed you up a little bit, like a cup of coffee, maybe not to the level of a cup of coffee, but it will give you a little bit of extra energy. And then with insomnia specifically, there are other cannabinoids that have shown to induce sleep and help with insomnia. CBG or Cannabigerol, uh, specifically has been shown to help get deeper sleep and for athletes, uh, that helps improve your recovery because all of the recovery process basically takes place while you're sleeping. And then there's also a CBN which is cannabinol and it actually forms in the cannabis the longer you have it. So if you let it sit out, um, and this isn't something you can do at home, they would have to specifically being grown. And I'm kind of cured to this process to develop higher levels of CBN. CBN specifically has a sedative effect. So if you go into certain shops, you will see not all of them for other cannabinoids are other terpene profiles, but I have seen some that will show whether or not they have CBG or CBN and um, those have the, the help with insomnia, [inaudible].

Antonio DeRose: 38:49 The other one we touched on was anxiety. Yeah. So cbd specifically for anxiety definitely helps. I actually consumed CBD before I do a lot of my speeches, but I also consume THC. The good thing about consuming just cbd is it doesn't have a psychoactive effect and a lot of times the psychoactive effect can cause people to get nervous or get anxiety. So if you're one of those people that it has that effect on, then I wouldn't recommend it, but CBD specifically, um, can give you a kind of a calmer sense of focus and it has been shown to not just help with anxiety but also help with other neurological issues. So I believe that it has a positive impact on just how your brain is reacting to stressful environments. Kind of like an adaptogen. Like Ashwagandha.

Kannaboomers: 39:45 Yeah. I had a guest who likened it to wearing a helmet that, you know, it's, it's a neuroprotectant and life is full of toxins and the things that you need protection from.

Antonio DeRose: 39:56 Yeah. The US government actually holds a patent, a patent number 6630507. And that US patents states that CBD has powerful effects as an antioxidant and a neuroprotective.

Kannaboomers: 40:09 I'm hoping it's helped with heather's epilepsy.

Antonio DeRose: 40:12 Yes. She actually just, um, she celebrated her one year anniversary, um, for no seizures. That's great. I think that was in October. I lose track of all the days, but I know it was sometime in October,

Kannaboomers: 40:27 A full year. That's awesome. Now, is that CBD itself or is that THC as well?

Antonio DeRose: 40:32 THC as well. Yeah. She consumes all of the same products. I do. We actually, we both do the testing, so she gets a variety of products that she tests. And then we also purchased our own products.

Kannaboomers: 40:42 We talked a little about the future state and you mentioned the vision of like walking into GNC and seeing an array of cannabis products. What else do you predict as, as the word gets out that this is not the devil's weed. This is something that can help you live a more healthy life right now.

Antonio DeRose: 41:03 You're going to start seeing, you're already seeing it if you're paying attention to the cannabis industry and the marketing, but you're going to see a huge, um, intersection between the health and fitness industry and the cannabis industry. And this has already started just this year. I'm a CBD company called Pure Spectrum, was the title sponsor for a, the Reebok crossfit games. So the entire Reebok crossfit games was a sponsored by pure spectrum and they had a ton of athletes there and they were talking about the benefits of consuming are choosing to consume cannabis over dangerous anti-inflammatory medications like Ibuprofen or Tylenol, Ibuprofen and Tylenol had been shown like they're proven to cause internal bleeding. They can cause ulcers. There's all sorts of damage to your liver and other organs and your intestines. And CBD has none of that. CBD actually has the same anti inflammatory effects with all of the negative effects. And I say negative effects because they're not side effects. Side effects is a term that the medical industry uses to get us to not realize that when you take this medicine, this is what it does to you.

Kannaboomers: 42:24 Yeah. I mean there are stories of professional athletes have gotten knocked out their livers, you know, by choking down too much tylenol or whatever. There's been NBA players and nfl players and there's been such a stigma for so long and maybe that's another thing we can look forward to is a, as it becomes legal and more and more states. He said 32 states now and maybe federal legalization is, is coming. But I think we can look forward to that stigma going away. And then just people learning more about how to integrate it into their daily regime.

Antonio DeRose: 42:56 Yeah, definitely the, um, the future to the world antidoping agency, they recently removed cbd from it's banned substances list. So they oversee a lot of athletic organizations like the NFL. Um, but it's up to the individual organizations to choose whether or not they follow that code. But the fact that the World Anti Doping Agency decided that CBD does have medicinal benefits and it can help athletes is a huge move in the right direction.

Kannaboomers: 43:28 Tell us about where we can find you online, where we can learn about your events and the services you offer.

Antonio DeRose: 43:34 Sure. So our website will be up by the end of this month and um, it's an entirely revamped website. It's at greenhouse healthy.com. You can find us on all of the social platforms at greenhouse healthy and then you can check me out on Instagram at greenhouse. Healthy human.

Kannaboomers: 43:52 Awesome. Are you doing the 4:20 Games this year?

Antonio DeRose: 43:55 We didn't do the 4:20 Games this year because we focus specifically on Colorado and then they haven't released the schedule for next year, so we're looking at doing a few different races next year. But we're also gonna be focusing on doing more events of our own as far as hosting educational and athletic events and then spreading those throughout the country, not just in Colorado.

Kannaboomers: 44:17 Well definitely give me a heads up when you're headed for a southern California. Would love to attend? Yeah, for sure. Thank you Antonio, for sharing your time with us and your expertise. I know our audience is gonna love this.

Antonio DeRose: 44:27 Thanks so much for having me Tom.

44:29 You've been listening to Let's Talk About Weed, the Kannaboomes Podcast with Thomas J. Medicinal cannabis for baby boomers. Visit us at Kannaboomers.com.


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